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#1 Cm1

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:07 AM

Just hours remain on a minimum of 12 rostered players current stint with the Vikings, as 10 players will be assigned to the practice squad. While your favorite players are headed to the state fair or a local barbecue looking forward to their first game check of the season, there are about 30 players who are in contact with their agents, pastors, mommas, baby mommas, homeboys in and out of the league, teams in Canada.. You get the picture.. Making plans for the what ifs.

Who's in?

100% (35)
(3) QB Cassel, Bridgewater, 'someones future' Ponder
(3) RB Cowboy Pete, Asiata, McKinnon
(5) WR Jennings, Patterson, Wright, Theilen, simpspension
(2) TE Rudolph, Ellison
(2) T Kalil, Loadholt
(4) G/C Sullivan, Fusco, Johnson, Yankey
(6) DL Griffen, Floyd, Joseph, Robison, Crichton, Wooton
(2) LB Barr, Greenway
(2) S Smith, Blanton
(3) CB Rhodes, Munnerlyn, Sherels
(3) STm Locke, Loeffler, Walsh

So, who are your must haves for the remaining 18?

60 Baca, Jeff G 6-3 302 24 2 UCLA
91 Baker, Chase DT 6-2 300 26 2 Boise State
23 Banyard, Joe RB 5-10 205 25 2 Texas-El Paso
61 Berger, Joe G 6-5 305 32 10 Michigan Tech
54 Brinkley, Jasper LB 6-1 252 29 6
57 Cole, Audie LB 6-5 239 25 3 North Carolina St.
20 Coleman, Kurt S 5-11 200 26 5 Ohio State
13 Colter, Kain WR 6-0 195 22 0 Northwestern
25 Crocker, Chris S 5-11 197 34 11 Marshall
51 Dean, Larry LB 6-0 226 26 4 Valdosta State
62 Ducasse, Vladimir G 6-5 325 26 5 Massachusetts
85 Ellison, Rhett TE 6-5 250 25 3 USC
90 Evans, Fred DT 6-4 305 30 7 Texas State
32 Exum Jr., Antone S 6-0 219 23 0 Virginia Tech
76 Faciane, Isame DT 6-4 302 23 0 Florida International
42 Felton, Jerome FB 6-0 248 28 7 Furman
86 Ford, Chase TE 6-6 255 24 2 Miami (Fla.)
2 Foster, Donte WR 6-1 193 23 0 Ohio
50 Hodges, Gerald LB 6-2 243 23 2 Penn State
45 Jackson, Justin LB 6-1 230 23 0 Wake Forest
40 James, Kendall CB 5-11 180 23 0 Maine
92 Johnson, Tom DT 6-3 288 29 4 Southern Mississippi
59 Kerin, Zac C 6-5 305 23 0 Toledo
48 Line, Zach FB 6-1 233 24 2 SMU
56 Mauti, Michael LB 6-2 243 24 2 Penn st
38 Posey, Julian CB 5-11 200 26 2 Ohio
27 Prater, Shaun CB 5-10 190 24 3 Iowa
39 Price, Jabari CB 5-11 200 21 0 North Carolina
87 Reisner, Allen TE 6-3 255 25 3 Iowa
67 Remmers, Mike T 6-5 300 25 2 Oregon State
78 Richardson, Antonio T 6-6 330 22 0 Tennessee
21 Robinson, Josh CB 5-10 199 23 3 Central Florida
33 Sanford, Jamarca S 5-10 200 29 6 Mississippi
34 Sendejo, Andrew S 6-1 200 26 4
83 Smith, Rodney WR 6-5 200 24 2 Florida State
93 Stephen, Shamar DT 6-5 310 23 0 UCONN
94 Trattou, Justin DE 6-4 250 26 3 Florida
58 Watts, Brandon LB 6-2 231 23 0 Georgia Tech
79 Wentworth, Austin G 6-5 303 24 0 Fresno State
43 Williams, Dominique RB 5-9 205 23 0 Wagner
59 Zimmer, Mike LB 6-1 235 23 0 Illinois

#2 Aj Mansour

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:22 AM


100% (35)
(3) QB Cassel, Bridgewater, 'someones future' Ponder
(3) RB Cowboy Pete, Asiata, McKinnon
(5) WR Jennings, Patterson, Wright, Theilen, simpspension
(2) TE Rudolph, Ellison
(2) T Kalil, Loadholt
(4) G/C Sullivan, Fusco, Johnson, Yankey
(6) DL Griffen, Floyd, Joseph, Robison, Crichton, Wooton
(2) LB Barr, Greenway
(2) S Smith, Blanton
(3) CB Rhodes, Munnerlyn, Sherels
(3) STm Locke, Loeffler, Walsh

So, who are your must haves for the remaining 18?

60 Baca, Jeff G 6-3 302 24 2 UCLA
91 Baker, Chase DT 6-2 300 26 2 Boise State
23 Banyard, Joe RB 5-10 205 25 2 Texas-El Paso
61 Berger, Joe G 6-5 305 32 10 Michigan Tech
54 Brinkley, Jasper LB 6-1 252 29 6
57 Cole, Audie LB 6-5 239 25 3 North Carolina St.
20 Coleman, Kurt S 5-11 200 26 5 Ohio State
13 Colter, Kain WR 6-0 195 22 0 Northwestern
25 Crocker, Chris S 5-11 197 34 11 Marshall
51 Dean, Larry LB 6-0 226 26 4 Valdosta State
62 Ducasse, Vladimir G 6-5 325 26 5 Massachusetts
90 Evans, Fred DT 6-4 305 30 7 Texas State
32 Exum Jr., Antone S 6-0 219 23 0 Virginia Tech
76 Faciane, Isame DT 6-4 302 23 0 Florida International
42 Felton, Jerome FB 6-0 248 28 7 Furman
86 Ford, Chase TE 6-6 255 24 2 Miami (Fla.)
2 Foster, Donte WR 6-1 193 23 0 Ohio
50 Hodges, Gerald LB 6-2 243 23 2 Penn State
45 Jackson, Justin LB 6-1 230 23 0 Wake Forest
40 James, Kendall CB 5-11 180 23 0 Maine
92 Johnson, Tom DT 6-3 288 29 4 Southern Mississippi
59 Kerin, Zac C 6-5 305 23 0 Toledo
48 Line, Zach FB 6-1 233 24 2 SMU
56 Mauti, Michael LB 6-2 243 24 2 Penn st
38 Posey, Julian CB 5-11 200 26 2 Ohio
27 Prater, Shaun CB 5-10 190 24 3 Iowa
39 Price, Jabari CB 5-11 200 21 0 North Carolina
87 Reisner, Allen TE 6-3 255 25 3 Iowa
67 Remmers, Mike T 6-5 300 25 2 Oregon State
78 Richardson, Antonio T 6-6 330 22 0 Tennessee
21 Robinson, Josh CB 5-10 199 23 3 Central Florida
33 Sanford, Jamarca S 5-10 200 29 6 Mississippi
34 Sendejo, Andrew S 6-1 200 26 4
83 Smith, Rodney WR 6-5 200 24 2 Florida State
93 Stephen, Shamar DT 6-5 310 23 0 UCONN
94 Trattou, Justin DE 6-4 250 26 3 Florida
58 Watts, Brandon LB 6-2 231 23 0 Georgia Tech
79 Wentworth, Austin G 6-5 303 24 0 Fresno State
43 Williams, Dominique RB 5-9 205 23 0 Wagner
59 Zimmer, Mike LB 6-1 235 23 0 Illinois

 

My list is reflected above, totals 54 with Simpson not counting against roster during suspension.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:46 PM

Thanks Aj, I think your list does a good job of reflecting public opinion, but I question the utility of Smith, Sandejo, and Crocker for sure, others are dependent on what becomes available. How valuable are they versus someone who can diversify our capabilities now or later this season? They make me think of a familiar flavor, vanilla Frazier. What the organization should be doing this season is setting itself up to either win as many games as possible this year, or win as many games as it possibly can next year. I just don't see how those guys improve us in either category.. But again, this is a very natural list.

If you could have a first round talent land in your lap this week at any position, it would have to be an MLB right?

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:48 PM

My two sleeper picks would be HB Joe Banyard and TE Allen Reisner. They're kinda the preseason stars but I wanted them to make the team even before the preseason games started.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:58 PM

Honestly, I think most of the roster was set after the 3rd game and first round of cuts. And even then, not so sure you couldn't have picked the majority of the 53 after game 2.

I don't know if it will happen immediately or a week or two plus, but it believe Ponder should be gone. And it's not personal or negative. Despite the haters, he actually played well enough to lead his team to a winning record and the playoffs one year. Something other QB's drafted recently, including Gabbert, can't say. He actually played well against the Titans, and seemed in control of himself. He threw a few nice balls, and surprising to me, he actually seemed willing to throw the ball further than 10 yards. Not only does Ponder need a change of scene/opportunity, but despite decent value as a 3rd QB, if the Vikings were actually forced down to their third QB, I'm not sure we'd be looking for very positive results regardless. Now, I've always been a proponent for a third QB, just in case, and to make that QB a developmental guy. I think the ideal situation is to move Ponder for a pick, possibly a conditional one, and aquire a young cut down player to place on the PS, and save a roster spot.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 08:25 PM

Further, offensively;

OL: starters are set and can easily be amongst the best in the league. Berger is a fine reserve, and Yanky has real potential, though I was soured with a lot of his pass-pro against the Titans. Despite needing work and going un drafted, Richardson seems an easy choice to keep. Not only do I think he'd be claimed by someone before he could be re-signed to the PS, he didn't play badly when I focused on him. He needs to work on speed rushes and counter moves, not surprisingly, but usually held his ground and sealed his side pretty well. I saw a few really nice blocks against the Titans. I would sooo love a young Dave Huffman type who may not be a stud, but could be solid enough to play all along the line. We don't have anyone like that right now. If we keep a 4th backup, it's got to be the veteran Ducasse or the young Wentworth, who has probably received too much flak for the safety he allowed as I'm not certain he wasn't suppose to have help on the play. Wentworth could be a nice PS player. He MIGHT have 4 position potential with time.

TE: I absolutely love what I saw of Chase Ford last season and felt he was a virtual lock coming in to this season. His injury has tossed a huge monkey wrench in to this position. And the obvious reason is the play of Reisner. I know it's only pre-season, but Reisner impressed me the first time he was with the Vikes, and I was sorry to see him go. I'd like to keep both, but do we have the roster space?

WR: We all know who is who here. We all know the top 6, even though we may only have room for 5. For the first 3 weeks there is no Simpson, so Smith has a roster spot. Ultimately, it may and probably will come down to a choice of Smith or Simpson. And they couldn't be more polar opposites. Simpson is the more experienced player, offers fantastic deep speed, often garnering as manner PI calls as he does long receptions. I don't know for sure if that's a good thing or not. He offers some good open field running and makes some nice catches. But he also runs poor routes, and drops too many easy throws. (This discounts his off the field troubles) Smith is bigger, younger, seems to run solid routes, has great length and seemingly good hands. And he also possesses a vastly underrated skill, body control. He reminds me of CC and Moss at times with his ability to twist and turn and make adjustments to an arriving ball. This is going to be an interesting decision.

RB: Asiata is big, strong and physical. He catches the ball well, runs hard, and has really honed his instincts running and hitting the hole. Banyard showed some promise last year, but looks like a completely different player than last year. I don't know how you cut Asiata, but I don't know how you let Banyard go either. But there's just no room for a 4th RB, and I have to believe someone will snatch Banyard up. D Williams has really impressed and surprised me, but he's a perfect PS player at this point.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:03 PM

http://www.nfl.com/n...cker-down-to-53

Tracking the cuts around the league. I'm sure Arif will have something.

Edit: Arifs doing his thing on VT

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:48 PM

Further, defensively;

DL: We're pretty much set, and it's exciting. I think we have to go with 9 here, 4 ends but 5 tackles, unless you cut Johnson, which I just don't see. Stephen has flashed, and you just don't risk cutting young DT's that show real promise. I just wish there was room for Trattou as he has surprised me. Hoping he can sneak through to the PS.

LB: Cole, Brinkley, Barr, Greenway and Hodges are set, even though the MLB spot is still up for grabs. (I favor the longer and rangier Cole and think he ends up there even if not initially) I was hopeful for the undersized but speedy, athletic Watts when drafted. I think it's a real shame he wasn't able to go against the Titans as he might have missed a shot to secure himself. Not saying he was outstanding in the first 3 games, but I saw some nice plays, and he just seemed to be around the ball. I'd like to call him a lock, but can't say that with confidence. Do the Vikes keep 6 or 7 LB's! Like most of us, I've been rooting for Mauti since day one. Maybe I've missed something, but I thought he played better last season. If cut, is he elgible for the PS? Anyone know? I was hoping from day one that Dean would be an athletic, small school steal. He's shown he's not much of an NFL LB thus far, getting tied up or overrunning plays, but has proven to be a really nice ST player. If we keep 7 LB's, it probably comes down to these two. Not sure who gets or deserves the nod.

CB: Along with QB, this is the most intriguing position on the team, and for two reasons. One, unfortunately, being just how poor this position has been in the recent past. Two, the potential to be vastly improved this season. Rhodes has mad skills and potential, and we've seen the potential. I am not going to say Captain is a Winfield clone, but doesn't he remind you very much of a young version? It gets hairy behind those two, but also very intriguing. Someone commented somewhere recently that if the world suffered a huge cataclysm tomorrow, the survivors would be cockroaches and Marcus Scherels. Now, this was meant as a compliment! The former collegiate walk on and long shot NFL rookie FA has done nothing but survive and thrive and improve. I saw flashes from him last season that really surprised me. In the final games, he was sometimes our best overall cover CB. And he's done a nice job as a PR and ST cover man as well. I was really down on him after the Chiefs game. But he rebounded with a nice game against the Titans. Josh Robinson has been a huge disappointment thus far due to injury, and hasn't done much thus far. But you just can't give up on his skill set and potential at this point, can you? Especially with this new scheme and this coaching staff. What has Shaun Prater done? Oh, nothing except play well to close out 2013, and perhaps be our best overall cover guy the whole preseason after the starters. I think people are sleeping on him. From what we've seen and hear, Price seems to be a final piece in a 6 man group. And this is the biggest surprise to me. He came from a top program, has strength, physical thickness, and top collegiate experience against top competition. I just felt, when drafted, he lacked the athleticism to play in the NFL. In fact, I thought he might have been the "weakest" prospect we drafted. But if reports are to believed, and solid play the first three preseason games are to be believed, we may have found a potential steal.

There are absolutely "if's" and maybe's to work with here, and the Vikings are probably still a top FA or draft choice away from making this a real quality unit...but...the CB position has looked completely different thus far from anything we've seen the past few seasons.

S: Here is where the mess lies, other than Mr Smith of course. And he deserves to be referred to as "Mr Smith"! So what else do we do here? I'll be honest, I though drafting Exume was a major steal, and he still might be. But like everyone else at S, injuries have played a major factor in determine who and what we have here. My gut feeling is he has tremendous potential. And while it might be nice to try to sneak him through to the PS, I'm concerned that that potential would see someone else snapping him up. He's a bit of a wildcard to be sure, but I'd hold on to him. Like seemingly everyone else here, Blanton has been hurt after apparently moving himself to the forefront in the coach's eyes through the offseason programs and early camp. So-so play in limited game time doesn't remove him from the picture in my mind. Especially with nobody else stepping forward.

If we keep 5, which I suspect for this season, this leaves two spots. Based on what they showed last season, potential as players and STer's, despite injuries, again, I'd still put Sanford and Sendejo above Coleman and Crocker. Coleman has been OK, but nothing special. I know the staff is new, but they've watched film, they've talked to scouts, they know what they inherited. And I just don't know that Coleman has shown anything more to claim a spot. Crocker is a favorite of Zimmer, and while he signed late, his familiarity with the scheme should account for something. But through two games, I haven't seen anything from him. I think his time has come, and think his spot with the Vikings is as a coach at this point. That leaves a coin flip between Coleman and Sanford for the final spot.

Like CB, I think the position is a FA or top draft pick away from being really settled.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:06 PM

Further, defensively;
DL: We're pretty much set, and it's exciting. I think we have to go with 9 here, 4 ends but 5 tackles, unless you cut Johnson, which I just don't see. ***** Agree******

LB: Cole, Brinkley, Barr, Greenway and Hodges are set, even though the MLB spot is still up for grabs. (I favor the longer and rangier Cole and think he ends up there even if not initially) I was hopeful for the undersized but speedy, athletic Watts when drafted.player. *** Agree***

CB: **** very long! but very good analysis***

S: Here is where the mess lies,
Like CB, I think the position is a FA or top draft pick away from being really settled. *** again not to short change your work! but these lines are the synopsis***.

Honestly, I think most of the roster was set after the 3rd game and first round of cuts. *** dis-agree, we don't have that much talent, basically it was at the 35 I listed, which all would have taken cataclysms to disappear', certainly several others have nothing to worry about, but had cole stunk after that he's gone and he could be a starter! **
I think the ideal situation is to move Ponder for a pick, possibly a conditional one, and aquire a young cut down player to place on the PS, and save a roster spot *** agree but tremendously unlikely***.

I also tried to quote your rod smith stuff but messed up the triple quote. I completely disagree about him. I see him as a guy with no separation.

Thanks for your contributions Doc!

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 06:07 PM

So, some pretty unexpected moves.  Both veteran safties Chris Crocker and Kurt Coleman were cut, and they cut both TE Chase Ford and Allen Reisner.  Blanton to start at safety then and only 2 TE on the roster?  It seems odd, but they also kept both Jerome Felton and Zack Line, perhaps they envision using Line next to a tackle from time to time.

 

Austin Wentworth makes the team as one of 9 offensive lineman with Tiny Richardson going to the IR.  Those seem like surprise moves while Asiata won the job as #3 RB.  It will be interesting to see where Joe Banyard goes, I doubt he clears waivers, though I'm not sure Asiata would have either. 


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Posted 31 August 2014 - 08:25 AM

Nick, I was equally thrown by the IR moves, almost suspect. Seems like they may be extending tryouts on the line.



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